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Let's
begin with identity. Your fiction cuts across generic boundaries
and your citizenship spans oceans. A myriad identifiers could
be applied to describe Nicola Griffith. For example, the 20
August 1998 Wall Street Journal introduces you--on
the front page--in this manner: "She is a lesbian science-fiction
writer."
Ah,
but you also have to consider the fact that they believe the
women on my imaginary plant of Jeep reproduce by "photosynthesis."
I imagine that's what the official WSJ spellchecker
makes of "parthenogenesis," but, still, it doesn't exactly make
for great faith in their investigative abilities. I take everything
they say with a pinch of salt.
Is
their label wrong, then? Or is it just that you don't like
to be labelled. How do you usually react to labelling, to
branding?
With
amusement. How can anyone expect a label to apply to a living,
changing human being for more than five minutes?
There
are some labels that would seem to remain fairly applicable:
woman, and--
Not
necessarily. What is a woman, anyway? I can't come up with
a definition that really works. I've been trying for years
and lately it's got more difficult. One of my first definitions,
when I was a teenager, was: a human adult with a womb and
ovaries. But, phht, that one got blown out of the water when
I heard about hysterectomies. Then you can look at it in negative
terms: a human adult without a penis. But how would John Bobbit
feel about that? So is it upbringing? But then how do you
explain those people who--due to nature, or to the mother
taking hormones--are born with ambiguous genitals and are
assigned gender on the rather arbitrary measureof their penis/clitoris
size at birth (literally: there is a standard size, less than
which they trim it down and say it's a clitoris, more than
which they declare you a boy, no matter what the chromosomes
say) who often decide at adulthood to identify with the other
sex? And then there are all those men who get sex change surgery,
and women who slap on testosterone patches.
I'm
assuming "lesbian" is even more fraught with peril?
Depends.
You might have a hard time calling yourself a lesbian, for example
but, hey, with a bit of surgery... No, seriously, I'm not sure
what a "lesbian" is anymore, either--as applied to the world
at large, anyway. I'm happy calling myself a dyke because I've
always much preferred having sex with women, although I've had
sex with men, but it seems to me that lots of people just fall
in love with the person, and worry about what sex they are later.
Labels
can be pernicious things, a real hindrance to seeing the whole.
Imagine going to a party and seeing a man with his entire
head (hair, face, beard, ears, neck) dyed purple, having an
interesting conversation with him, moving on to the buffet
table, then, when trying to describe the person you've been
talking to, saying, "The gentleman with the very tasteful
socks." Yeah, right. You'd say, "That guy over there, the
one with the purple head," because it's the feature that made
him least like everyone else in the room. (It makes me laugh
when people avoid descriptive terms like "black" or "woman"
or "fat," when trying to describe someone in a room full of
white, or male, or thin people, because they think it's politically
incorrect to single them out because of something usually
used as a judgement.) Almost everyone who ever meets him will
think of him--at least until the dye wears off--as The Guy
With The Purple Head, instead of the Brilliant Conversationalist,
or The Man With the Neat Socks, or The World Chess Champion
(which we might not have discovered because we were too busy
asking him questions about how it is to walk around in the
world with a purple head). I think that what people really
mean when they say, "Nicola Griffith is a lesbian science
fiction writer" is "Nicola Griffith is only a lesbian
science fiction writer." That's what pisses me off.
Would
you be willing to admit, at least, that you're a science fiction
writer?
Oh,
okay <g>. There again my current project is a series
of novels about Aud Torvingen, and they're not science fiction
in any way, shape or form (though a couple of idiot reviews
have argued that Aud is a wish-fulfillment fantasy figure).
Mind you, the books do use what I think of as the tools of
SF: my narrator sees things in terms of systems, and groups,
and theories; she believes (as do many SF protagonists) that
the world is her oyster; that one person can make a
difference.
I'm
intrigued by your comment about "the tools of SF." Please
elaborate.
A
lot of SF pretends to be deeply rational: this is the situation;
here's a systematic, theoretical way to perceive it; here's
the glitch in the system, the problem identified; here's how
we go about fixing it. The theory is clean and simple, there
are no messy bits sticking out, and the hero is always wholly
rational. She or he never says: Fuck this, I'm going to go
get drunk and watch TV. They never say: Damn, I'd just about
made the last payment on my ticket-me red TransAm and now
you want to think about saving the world instead of zooming
around in my mean babe-magnet machine? Even in such supposedly
paradigm-shifting works as "The Cold Equations," the pilot
wants to solve the problem (he's not a psychopath who
thinks, oh, yum, a little innocent girl all alone with nowhere
to escape to, heh heh), because that's how his mind works.
The fact that he doesn't think hard enough (how many articles,
newsgroup posts etc. etc have there been lately on all the
ways he could have made it possible for the girl to survive?)
is what makes this an exercise in false rationality.
That's
a huge generalization about SF. What about the New Wave?
New
Wave writers of the sixties--people like Ballard and Moorcock--often
made no attempt to rationalise their story milieux; they gave
us no hypothetical, testable explanation; the weird stuff just
was. I think this is exactly why so many traditional
readers hated their work, because if you can't explain it, well,
how do you solve it? And if you're not going to try solve it,
what's the point, because that's what SF is for?!
One
of the other standard tools of SF is the stock (some might
say wooden) characterisation. To avoid those messy bits that
might stick out and trip up the theory, SF writers often draw
their characters as group monotypes. It's "women" versus "men,"
or "humans" versus "aliens," or "wild outlaw hackers" versus
"corporate suits." They're sketched as bags of flesh and bone
all programmed with the same particular set of beliefs and
motivations: the hackers don't want a nice house in the burbs
with central heat and air and fitted carpet; men don't ever
want to just get along with everyone else or have a good conversation;
aliens are...well, my theory is that aliens always seem to
represent whatever outsider problem US and UK culture is currently
wrestling with at the time (but I've talked about that elsewhere
[The New Aliens of Science Fiction]).
Probably
the most persistent character type is the loner who is so
special s/he doesn't fit any group at all, Paul Atreides,
Louis Wu, Miles Vorkosigan, Kimball Kinnison et al, who are
unique because they're faster, or stronger, or more intuitive,
or possess some unique talent such as telepathy. Whatever.
They have a particular/peculiar view of the world, and tend
to believe this is the One True Perspective. Because they're
so special, they're able to make a difference, so they do,
they change the world to fit that One True Perspective more
closely. (Most of these people could do with a good dose of
Star Trek prime directive....) As characters they don't change
during the course of the novel, not significantly, because
they're already perfect in all essential respects. (If they
weren't, then their perspective wouldn't be perfect, and if
it were not perfect, why would they want to make the whole
world conform to it?)
Do
you think the same is true in other genres?
Yes.
Especially mysteries. There is a key to the world; the hero
(who, like the SF protagonist, is Special and a Loner) has
to find it, turn it, and set everything back in its place:
the murderer in prison, the corpse in the ground, the love
interests back where they came from.
What
I find interesting are those authors who try, even half-heartedly,
to get their people to change and grow--in attitude, in wisdom,
in age, in ability, anything significant. Unfortunately, most
of the popular series characters don't quite manage it: Spenser
gets older, but his attitude and his way of seeing the world
haven't budged an inch; Travis McGee gets a few more lines
on his forehead, swells or diminishes his retirement fund,
but his approach to life is just the same; V.I. Warshowski
still hates going jogging and laundry and hasn't learnt a
thing about interpersonal relationships...and so on. They
don't change because they are utterly adapted, utterly suited
to their vision of the world, and their world is static. The
system remains unchanged, the theory unimproved because it
still applies.
Then
there are characters like Andrew Vachss' Burke, who sort of
tries to change. The irritating thing about these books is
that we don't get to see the change onstage, but offstage,
between books, and even then it doesn't seem substantial because
we don't see the character considering that change, mulling
over what it might mean for him. Compare this to, say, the
Aubrey/Maturin novels of Patrick O'Brian, where Jack and Stephen
go through a multitude of changes--but they are almost always
conscious of the fact, even though that awareness sometimes
comes about long after whatever it was that triggered the
change. They are tempered by experience; they learn. This
is what I want to do with Aud.
I
would submit that your characters do change. A signature element
of your fiction seems to be protagonists (re)negotiating themselves
vis-a-vis new environments. In Ammonite,
Marghe Taishan is "born again" by dint of her experiences
on/with the planet Jeep. In Slow River, the
scion of an industrialist clan reinvents herself on the streets
of a near-future European city. In The Blue Place,
Aud Torvingen undergoes a transformative moment in Atlanta
that detonates her European childhood. Do such transformations
reflect your own person?
I
have two, contradictory, answers: "No!" and "But of course..."
Which is to say, "My novels reflect my life," and "It's fiction.
I just made it up."
I've
just finished an essay [Living Fiction, Storybook Lives] about
the role of story in our lives, and my life in particular.
In it, I talk about how, for me, writing is one giant What
If. Writing is how I learn who I am. The people in my books
aren't me, exactly, but all are aspects of me. In Ammonite
Marghe went off to Jeep, all alone, taking a big risk. You
could, if you wanted, if you had nothing better to do, read
the whole novel as an extended dance play version of my decision
to come to the US for the first time to go to Clarion. I didn't
know anyone on the continent. I had a plane ticket for a stay
of just over seven weeks. I couldn't afford to change the
ticket, so even if I came here and hated it and wanted to
leave, I couldn't. Then, hmmn, you could say that the gong
scene is equivalent to me being back in the UK, trying to
decide whether or not to risk everything, leave my whole life
behind, and come back to the US to live. But that would be
a very narrow reading.
And,
yes, the Clarion experience made me feel born again. It didn't
teach me much about writing, but it taught me about being
a writer. It hardened my will. Talent is nothing without the
sheer bloody-minded will to succeed.
Slow
River is a bit more complicated. I've talked about
the book, its genesis, its parallels to my life and so on
in at least three essays [Writing from the Body, Layered Cities,
and Living Fiction] and on my website (where all the essays
can be found) but the sound bite version is this: I was never
abused as a child; I lived in the city described in the book
for a few years where I did some things I'm not terribly proud
of (and some things I am); I learned, grew, and changed; I
survived; I left.
Tell
me more about what you're proud and not proud of having done
in the city, which I assume is Hull.
Yes,
it was Hull, a medium-sized city on the north east coast of
England where unemployment is terrible, the commerical fishing
industry is dead, and the inhabitants humming with a particularly
English (actually, Yorkshire) mix of cynicism and joie de
vivre. And, no, I don't really want to elaborate.
How
about The Blue Place, then. Where does that
sit on the reflect-your-life scale? How much of Aud Torvingen
is you?
It
hasn't really been out long enough for me to see it clearly
(or as clearly as I ever see any of my work) so let me approach
this one elliptically.
Reviews
of the book have been interesting; critics seem to either
love it or hate it; I haven't come across much middle ground.
One of their issues seems to be the violence. It's a novel
about a woman who thinks and acts with startling violence
(and is brutally proficient), and because I tried to write
it with a certain visual brilliance and vibrancy I imagine
some readers feel the violence has been eroticised. Aud doesn't
find violence sexy, as such. She doesn't like feeling pain,
doesn't like inflicting it on others; what she loves is the
paradoxical frailty and strength of human life. What excites
her is living; to fight for her life and win excites her doubly.
Aud sees just about every person she meets as a collection
of pulse points, and joints, and nerve centres. She knows
life is fragile; to her it is so precious that she's always
ready to fight for it. In that respect, we are alike.
I
think in graphic, technicolour violent images a lot. People
can find it a bit startling. I might be in the pub laughing
and talking about publishers and what idiots most of them
are, and one of those images will just slip out. "Yep," I'll
say. "I'd love to come across him in some dark alley while
I had my gralloching knife. I'd string him up, slit open his
belly and watch, smiling, while his guts plopped out in a
steaming heap." Things like this disturb some. Not me. If
I went around gutting publishers on a whim, maybe, but just
thinking about it doesn't do anyone any harm.
Have
you ever seriously injured anyone?
Yes.
Have
you ever been seriously injured by someone?
Yes.
O-o-kay....
How about this. You and Aud are both martial arts devotees.
How much do martial arts impact your writing?
The
awareness of my body and the terminology that martial arts
has given me have been a great influence. Knowledge of breath
and muscle and balance and the right words to describe what
a body does, and how, permeates just about everything I write.
That awareness comes from any and all martial arts: karate,
tai chi, aikido.
Aud,
of course, has the advantage of not having multiple sclerosis,
so she's probably better at it that I am now <g>.
How
do you deal with the MS? I'm a longtime endorphin junkie who
needs his daily fix--cycling, running, nordic skiing--and
can't imagine the frustration you must feel.
There
are those cheerful, chirpy little cripples who smile and say,
"Oh, I'm just so grateful for what I have! It could
all be so much worse!" I'm not one of them. Having
MS sucks. If I rubbed the magic lamp and the genie appeared
to give me just one wish, it would be to cure me of autoimmune
disease. Fuck world poverty, peace and goodwill to all men,
and the cure for cancer. I want to be able to run and jump
again and kick again, to walk more than two blocks, and climb
two flights of stairs. I want to be able to work for more
than two hours without feeling so tired I don't care if I
curl up and die.
What
kind of impact has the MS had on your writing?
Enormous.
It's not only changed the way I see the world and therefore
the way I write about it [see Writing from the Body] but it's
altered my ability to concentrate, to simply sit in one place
for any length of time, and sometimes to even see the screen
or use the keyboard.
I'm
not a prolific writer--three novels in seven years--but that's
only partially due to the MS. Mostly it's just the way I work.
What it has affected most of all is all those non-writing
things that writers do. This interview, for instance, is using
energy that won't go to my novel today. Last year and this
I was invited all over the place to speak and teach--Leipzig,
MIT, Penn State etc.--and have had to say no. Travelling is
very hard on my system. Then I'll show up somewhere local
to sign or read or teach, and some bright spark will say,
"But you look great! Are you better?" and I'll resist the
urge to knife-hand their larynx and make a bowl of their skull.
I look just fine, I don't use a cane, or even limp if I'm
just crossing a room, I just have no stamina. Flying somewhere
then unpacking in a strange hotel sucks away what little energy
I have left and so there's nothing left for the reading/lecture/class
or whatever. Now if some of these institutions would fly me
first class, so I could stretch my poor cramping legs and
get decent food and maybe even some sleep on the plane, and
if they would pay for a hotel with extra nights on each end
of the trip, and provide me with a walker so that I never,
ever had to carry anything, then that would be a different
matter <g>.
It
sounds as though you really like the public aspects of being
a writer. What is it about it that you enjoy so much?
Performing.
Writing is a solitary occupation, and I love an audience,
so doing a reading is heaven for me. I used to love being
in a band, strutting around onstage in front of hundreds of
people, getting that energy feedback going, so we all leave
more energised.... That still happens when I do readings,
especially when it's a good crowd of fifty or so. One of my
favourite parts in the Q&A afterwards, the off-the-cuff
stuff, where I get to wave my arms around and let rip.
With
teaching, what I get a kick out of is seeing understanding
dawn in a student's eyes, watching their face light up with
joy, the knowledge that they get it. Delicious. I used to
teach self defence all the time before I was ill. Now my only
outlet is the occasional writing class. I'll still travel
to teach, as long as it's not just a two-day event but an
extended gig, such as Clarion.
And,
well, I admit I love adoration. I love people to look at me
and know who I am and admire me. One of the reasons I "chose"
to be a writer instead of a singer, is that the singer doesn't
get to pick when to be famous: you are or you're not. The
writer, though, can pretty much be anonymous when and wherever
they like. One of my most cherished fantasies is that one
day Kelley and I show up at a restaurant and we're told it's
a one hour wait until someone leans forward and tells the
maitre d' "But that's Nicola Griffith!" and he waves my party
through the waiting throng and wafts me to table. (Yeah, right,like
that will ever happen....)
Back
in England you used to front a band. Punk? Acid rock? Folk?
Yes.
Add a bit of reggae and world music and rock and dance music
and you've just about got it covered.
What
musicians excite you nowadays? Right now I'm thinking about
the Lilith Fair phenom and the polarized reactions surrounding
it. What's the big deal about a festival devoted to women's
music?
Well,
that goes to show how out of touch I am: what polarized reaction?
Do people really think it's a big deal to have a festival
of women's music? Huh. Dykes have been doing it for decades
up in Michigan. It's nothing new.
There
again, it was only last week that I was talking to Arthur
Woodbury (a great composer and saxophonist, and Kelley's mother's
husband) about a book he's writing on the history of music.
It's intended to be an introductory text for the general college
student. He talked for a while about cultural musical influences,
hidden movements and so on, and I said: "So what about women's
music?" He had no idea what I was talking about, no idea that
for the last thirty years, a whole hidden sub-genre has been
forming musicians such as Melissa Etheridge, the Indigo Girls,
Traci Chapman, 10,000 Maniacs and on and on.
And
their music excites you?
Not
really. I've always found the Indigo Girls rather boring,
and 10,000 Maniacs anemic. I liked Etheridge's first album
but the rest has been a bit tedious. All of Traci Chapman's
stuff sounds the same to me (although, again, I like her first
album).
The
music that gets me going depends on my mood and what I'm doing.
For example, I wrote a lot of The Blue Place to PJ
Harvey's "To Bring you My Love." It has a wonderful, prowling
industrial sound that just fit. When I'm thinking, I like
to listen to Symphonie, or the oboe music of Albinoni, or
a compilation tape of stuff like Satie and Elgar and Saint-Saens
that my ex-lover in Hull made for me. For doing stuff like
cooking, I like the blues. Almost any blues of any decade.
I love to wail alongwhile I chop carrots. When I'm working
up the energy to rip into work on my novel, stuff like Skunk
Anansie, or Carmina Burana, or the Chemical Brothers really
works. Lately, Kelley has been buying sound track albums,
so I listen to Mission Impossible, or La Femme Nikita,
or Strange Days--I liked that film, I don't know why
it got panned.
Who
should direct the film adaptation of The Blue Place?
It had the sheen of Kathryn Bigelow's Blue Steel,
but a much more devastating emotional payload.
Well,
you'll notice that in the novel itself Aud cleverly mentions
Kathryn Bigelow and what a fab director she is <g>.
I'm honestly not sure if she could impart that sense of inevitability
that the film would need, though. Her films tend--as far as
I'm concerned, anyway--towards the hero being trapped in some
way, and that's as far from Aud and her psyche as I can imagine.
Bigelow's
characters are alienated, and know it, and they are constantly
trying to belong. Aud is only alien when she chooses to be--or
so she believes. It's Julia who sets her straight, so to speak,
on that issue.
It
must be difficult to characterize the alien. By "the alien"
I'm not just referring to chitinoid SF xenobiology, but to
Aud, and to "the alien(s)" that you and Stephen Pagel evoke
in your Bending The Landscape series...not
to mention those discussed in your Nebula Awards 30
essay, "The New Aliens of Science Fiction." In your estimation,
who are some of the most memorable literary aliens? For example,
I think of Cormac McCarthy's cowboys.
I
was brought up Catholic. Some of my first reading material
(apart from the catechism) was hagiography, which is fabulous
reading for a bloodthirsty seven-year old: women squashed
under doors loaded with stones, little children cut up and
pickled in a barrel, men eaten by lions. Great stuff, better
than Stephen King, and thoroughly approved of by parents and
librarians.
Hagiography
as Christian splatterpunk?
I
suppose. This stuff will always find an outlet--which is probably
why lots of puritans got their jollies imagining all kinds
of wicked, sinful, lustful acts committed by women whom they
then condemned as witches. Every now and again I think about
writing a novel about witches. It would be fun to explore
the, ah, broomsticks and flying ointment. So many people don't
put two and two together...
Er,
you mean you think those broomsticks weren't quite what they
seemed??
It
seems likely and, anyway, and it would be fun to mess with
people's heads. I do that with one scene in The Blue Place:
Julia comes across Aud when Aud is wearing a gun in a thigh
harness and jumps to all the wrong conclusions. Lots of people
don't get that, either.
But
to get back to the hagiography. The main problem with these
martyrs was that I couldn't identify with any of them. I'd
try put myself in their place--about to be roasted at the
stake, blinded with red hot irons, or dragged apart by wild
horses--and couldn't. Why didn't these people just lie? Why
didn't they laugh and say, "Surprise! I'm not a Christian
after all!" then get set free and go off and be a Christian
somewhere else? After all, if god was omniscient (and the
catechism assured me he was) he'd know they still really
believed, and that was what was supposed to matter. Besides,
if you were free and a saint you could go off and convert
a zillion other people to Catholicism so god would have a
net gain. It didn't make sense to me at all.
At
heart I'm a pragmatist: do whatever it takes and worry about
the fine points later. The idea of dying for principle struck
me then--and still does--as ridiculous. The first rule is
to survive because there's nopoint otherwise. Living
well really is the best revenge (the second best being to
put the enemy in a book and have Aud meet them in a dark alley).
Martyrs of any stripe are alien to me.
Actually,
I don't find aliens memorable. If they're truly alien, then
I can't identify with them; if they're not really that different,
then I don't think of them as alien, more as extra-human,
possessed of some enviable trait or attribute. For example,
one of the pleasures of reading Dune was,
for me, the existence of both Bene Gesserit and mentats. Alia
was a someone I wanted to be: good-looking, fast, strong,
smart, healthy, wealthy, prescient, deadly, noble and
willing to play with what others considered immoral. Wow.
Who wouldn't want to be like that? In another of Frank Herbert's
books (I forget the title), there was a woman genetically
engineered to be something like ten times as strong as a normal
human. She looked just like you or me, but she'd be able to
destroy a bus full of football hooligans without breaking
a sweat.
What
is an alien, exactly? We all feel different, distinctly other,at
times. Even healthy American straight white boys (our culture's
Norm) occasionally find themselves in a room full of women
and feel the odd oneout. Feeling alien is an particularly
human experience. One of my aims while editing the Bending
the Landscape volumes was to focus on this paradox,
to show how, on the one hand, lesbians and gay men are just
the same as any other person, but to show, on the other, what
experiences in their lives have made them perceive themselves--and
helped others see them--as alien.
In
a sense, this is almost entirely at odds with what I do when
I write. In all my novels I use a reality-warping narrative
technique which is a sort of reversed, literary equivalent
of labelling theory. My characters assume that being a woman,
being lesbian, being totally capable is utterly ordinary,
they don't even think about it; they assume that those they
meet will behave as though this were true; as a result, those
they meet do so behave; the initial character's assumption
becomes reality. The challenge of The Blue Place
was to suck the reader in totally, make them believe Aud's
version of the world, believe it could be true, even though
the novel is set in the "real" world. It's been interesting
watching critics try to deal with what I've made. Those that
don't get hung up on the violence thing, that is.
Does
this pragmatic stance inflect how you write?
I'll
use anything--any narrative technique, any genre, any style--to
transfer the idea in my head to the page. Or at least I'll
try. What seems to end up happening is that I use the same
tools over and over. The way I understand the world in general
is through metaphor, for example, so that's often how I write.
Some readers find it horribly cloying, always being told that
this is like this here other thing. Well, tough, that's just
the way I work--although sometimes I'll use a whole scene
as a metaphor instead of a sentence. Another thing I like
to do is make the abstract--theme, or character, or internal,
emotional life of the protagonist--concrete, so in my books
the reader will often find the physical environment roped
in to do double duty as a reflector and illuminator of these
things. I can admire writers of cool, dispassionate prose
but I'm not sure I enjoy it; it's not visceral enough to me.
I like somatic information: the slipperiness of a broken egg
in your hand, the crack of a bone breaking, the scent of fresh
green olive oil.
"Somatic
information" seems even more prevalent in The Blue
Place; I was thinking in terms of tactile prose.
What other textual markers are found in your work, as you
see it?
I
can't think of a single piece of fiction I've written that
isn't stuffed to bursting with nature imagery, particularly
trees and water, and sky/weather systems. My main characters
like to get out in the open; they often travel from one place
another, using the journey to work things out, about themselves
or someone else. I'm a big fan of the semi-colon, of using
this doughty little tool to connect two apparently unrelated
sentences so the reader will put two and two together.
The
look of the prose on the page is also important to me. I loathe
huge blocks of unbroken text...except where I want to convey
a character's boredom, or feelings of being trapped. I've
also noticed that, with some exceptions, my sentences are
built for the eye, not the voice. The exception comes when
the viewpoint character is aware of being onstage, is hyper-conscious,
telling a story to themselves or to someone else, or wholly
present and aware but at the same time experiencing what an
onlooker might see. Examples of this from The Blue
Place would be the pool-shooting scene, when Aud
is seducing a young woman in a club, and those parts of the
book where Aud goes to the blue place andfights for her life.
These are the parts of a book I tend to read aloud. So, for
example, from Ammonite I read the gong scene,
and from Slow River I read either from near
the beginning, where Lore wakes naked on the cobbles and sees
herself on a newsmachine, or from the scenes where she is
naked and held captive in a tent.
I
think what marks my novels as a whole is a literary zoom lens
that can focus on something really close up--an ant, a crumb,
a fingertip--then pull out to a view from thirty thousand
feet, that can be inside someone's head one moment and considering
national political systems the next. There are many, many
good novels out there crammed with fine characters, beautiful
prose and taut plots which fail to satisfy me because they
lack the ability to connect the particular to the general;
they don't synthesize and show me something new. For example,
I've just read Judas Child, a novel by Carol
O'Connell, which is nicely constructed, smoothly written and
well-balanced, but--despite the fact that I couldn't put it
down, despite the fact that the characters were utterly real,
psychologically speaking, it was like eating food with the
salt taken out. There were no loose ends, nothing that wasn't
absolutely and immediately relevant to the business at hand.
O'Connell didn't take me anywhere, didn't wander off the beaten
path to give me any universal insights into human nature,
didn't open up the world in one of those vertiginous changes
of scale and perspective for which SF is so well known.
What
writers do that for you?
My
current favourite is Patrick O'Brian. He is specific, he is
erudite, he teaches me about people and history, systems and
nature, friendship and tenderness; his prose is lush and full
of sensory detail; his plots are a wicked mixture of the believable
and the bizarre; he ends at the end; his characters are as
real as they get, and they change.
Is
it, um, galvanic to live with another writer? Here at Earlham
College, the English department is currently teaching a seminar
on women authors and their relationships...
It's
galvanic living with Kelley. She's smart, beautiful, talented,
stubborn, and always willing to explore and learn. Being near
her inspires me to be the best person I can so that she can
admire me, too. She's one of those people who keep me constantly
questioning myself, my work, my life, my motives, and she's
always happy to go along for the ride. It's something we do
for each other: help each other not be afraid of changing.
Sometimes the ride can be wild.
We
met at MSU, at Clarion, in 1988. In the last ten years we've
helped each other hugely with our writing. I trust her judgement
utterly. We read each other's work as it progresses and have
enormous influence on its shape and heft. We understand each
other, we challenge each other, we strive to be good enough
for each other. Kelley is my home.
You've
granted no small amount of interviews during your career.
Plus, your web site contains an "Ask Nicola" area wherein
you respond to fan e-mail. What benefits do you derive from
fielding questions, aside from obvious things like more exposure?
At first glance, it appears to be an asymmetrical relationship
in terms of effort.
I'm
lazy. While I love to think, I only like to do so about things
that interest me. The best interview and Ask Nicola questions
force me out of my rut and make me contemplate other subjects.
I really don't like those twenty minute phone interviews with
mainstream newspaper reporters because they don't really care
what you say; they don't listen; the questions and comments
are always the same: "So you're from England. Why did you
move here? What book will you write next? What writers have
influenced you?" Tuh.
If
I believed in altruism (and I don't; I think even the things
we do to help others we do first of all to improve our own
image of ourselves) I'd say this is my way of helping those
who've been kind enough to buy my books...but really I just
get a kick out of it. I love it when someone asks me about
Aud and her psychological makeup because it makes me bear
down and pop those incoherent half-thoughts into the light.
Good questions teach me a lot. Most of my essays stem from
ideas sparked by interview or Ask Nicola questions.
Are
there questions you wish interviewers would ask, but they
never do?
"Would
you rather have a cheque or cash?" (Ha! I wish....)
When
interviewers come to my house, or call me up, or send email,
the one thing they never ask is really simple: "How are you?"
There is rarely any acknowledgement of my humanness. To most
interviewers I'm an assignment; to some I might be a scary
figure who gives them performance anxiety; others think I'm
an irritation, someone who is taking up their time when they'd
rather be doing something much more rewarding, like cleaning
out their septic tank. I don't think it occurs to them the
feeling might be mutual <g>. A good interview, like
a good book, needs at least two people, an exchange, a certain
amount of kindness on both sides.
Given
free rein and an honorarium to speak at a US college or university,
what would be the subject of your talk?
Whoa.
Hmmn. I don't know. Maybe something along the lines of how
amazing people are: how complicated,how rich and interesting,
how many-layered and multiply motivated. How other people
are real, not just conveniences for us. How we should never
be afraid to dream big. That you'll get more from taking a
risk than from just protecting yourself from disappointment,
and that you can't learn anything unless you make mistakes.
That you will hurt people and be hurt by them every day but
that should never be an excuse for not seizing life with both
hands and forging ahead. But most of all, that life is bigger,
sharper, and more messy than any of us can ever imagine; that
it's bloody precious and worth fighting for.
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